I’m too enraged to write anything coherent, but beginning yesterday, I’m running my own private boycott of the state of Israel and anything/-one associated with it, and I urge everyone to do the same.
A fascist, belligerent regime is not justifiable by any past, no matter how cruel and injust it has been. A rotten childhood does not justify being an asshole.
At the same time, I lament my own belated reaction: why is it that Israel may kill thousands of semi-dark-skinned Achmeds and Muhammeds without anyone raising a brow, but when a couple of Swedish authors are drawn physically into the firing line, the world gets on its feet?
It’s sickening.
Update: When news of the cultural boycott was publicized on an Israeli news site, the comment section virtually exploded. I decided that it was probably a good idea to turn off automatic publication of comments. I’ve now gone through the whole thing, and decided to let it all through. It’s not pretty, but quite interesting.
One correction of terminology: In one of the comments, I refer to the soldiers who boarded the Flotilla as “pirates”. I’ve learned that piracy is not the correct term, since that only applies to civilians acting on their own behalf. Since this was a nation’s armed forces, who acted on behalf of their country, the correct term is “an illegal act of war”. Changing the terminology may change the associations the words bring with them, but it does not change the contents of the statement.
Shalom
First Robert Allen Zimmerman (Bob Dylan) is a Jew.
I have to state that the information you have is totally wrong.
With your permission I shall start a review and explain. It is important
you read it all.
In 1917 the British published the Lord Ballfur declaration calling for a
Jewish home land in Israel. Based on that as a winning superpower of WW1
they were given a mandate by the league of nations but they declined to it
and the Lord Balfur declaration. The middle east oil drills showed great
success and UK tendency was for the Arab side calling against the Jewish
state. The Brits closed the gates of Israel to immigrants and gave permit
of 15000 per year which eventually prevented the Jews from Europe to be
saved. Thus my grandfather my grandmother and uncle were killed by the Nazis
and collaborators.
The state of Israel was founded in May 14 1948 based on a UN resolution
181 from November 29th 1947 called the partition plan.
This plan called to build two states one an Israeli State and one Arab
state. The partition placed Jerusalem as an international city by the
control of the UN.
Even though the state borders were small we accepted it and our hand was
in peace. However, on the other side the reaction of local Arabs leaving
within the British Mandate territory of so called Palestine was against with
many acts of terror as you see today. (Palestine: Name that was given to the
province of Judea by Adrian Cesar of Rome in 130 AD to humiliate Judea and
Jews who took revolt against Rome, by calling Judea name Palestina for the
Philistines that were here during the days of King David).
They were promised by the Arab countries, Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, Egypt,
Iraq, that the day after last British Soldier will leave Israel they will
invade and throw us all to the sea.
They encouraged them to continue on terror activities as well as to leave
as soon they will live in Tel-Aviv and rape all Jewish women. The Arabs in
Israel refused to leave in Peace and left even though they were asked to
stay by the Jewish Agency.
Unfortunately, the Arabs lost the war but refused to understand that we
are a fact here we cannot be removed destroyed or eliminated. No one ever
again shall harm us. The Arabs called that day “the Nakba” which is
translated from Arabic to English as the disaster of the Jewish state
foundation. The by their own hands created their tragedy of refugees so
called the Palestinian Problem.
The Arabs, the brothers of Palestinians Arabs, double-crossed them as they
did not accepted them as citizens in their countries, they placed them in
reservations called refugees camps like the Americans did to the Indians
which were the native Americans.
The world and UN have a definition for a Refugee. People that had to leave
a territory due to war and this is applied only for the first generation.
However, hypocrisy is playing a major role here and there is a special case
for Arabs “there is no limitation and it is applied to all generations” This
was promoted by the Arab league in order to use the tragedy they created to
destroy Israel.
Israel is a state that has to fight for its survival since it was born.
1. It had to fight the independence war in 1948 since Arabs wanted to
destroy us
2. It had to fight the Sinai campaign in 1956 since Egypt promoted the
Fedaion terror activities
3. It had to fight the 6 days war since Egypt Syria Jordan and Iraq
wanted to eliminate us
4. It had to fight the Yom Kippur war in 1973 since Egypt and Syria in
a coordinated war wanted to destroy us
5. It had to go to 1982 war which I fought since Arafat attacked
Israel from southern Lebanon and killed unarmed innocent children and
people.
6. It had to fight terror and I took part on it in Gaza in 1990 since
we were attacked
7. Israel went to second war on Lebanon in 2006 since it was attacked
without any provocation even though our forces pulled back from Lebanon in
2000.
8. Israel had to go on war with Hammas in 2008 since it was attacked
by Rockets since 2000
9. IDF soldier Gila’ad Shalit was kidnapped by Hammas in 2006 and Red
Cross cannot visit him.
In 1993 Israeli government signed a peace process with PLO.
In peace people do not die from blasting buses (have you seen it in Poland
, France, Germany) They do not die from machine guns they are not killed by
suicide terrorist in a hotel at the eve of Passover, 2003.
All was driven from the same cause killing Jews for being a Jew.
In peace the only case one dies is a disease, old age, car accident or a
bank robbery.
Arabs had so many opportunities to prosper yet they choose the Radical
terror and Radical Islam propaganda to kill my people.
Why Egypt and no other Arab country does not want them? Why king Husain killed them
all in September 1970? Why does Egypt fight the Brothers of Islam and Hammas
too? As they know these are radical dangerous people in favor of terror from
the house of Iran and Al-Kaida today.
Have you seen any Arab country that allows Arabs to speak against, or Jews
to be Parliament members? No you don’t but Israeli Democracy have equal
rights and you see Arab parties that in loud voice are calling for the destruction of
Israel? Have you seen such a case in the USA? Poland Europe? No you do not.
So why do we blockade Gaza? Since they harbor terror, launch terror
attacks, use the supplies we give them to build weapons against us. Did you
know that Electricity to Gaza Fuel is provided by Israel? Did you know that
Israel provide them medical services and operations? Egypt does not. Turkey
does not, no one does. We do. But we pulled back, we are not there. We do not
have too; we do not have to open our borders to them as South Korea does not
open the border to the north or the USA does not open its borders to Cuba.
They attack the tracks from Israel shipping them flour to make bread.
Where was the world community voice when Hammas attacked Israel? Where was
its voice when Hammas killed the PLO people?
On top of that, Israel said they allow the flotilla from Turkey to harbor
in Ashdod and transfer the goods to Gaza they refused. They wanted to clash
with the IDF. Allow me to explain you one important thing, peace group does
not load the ship with knives iron tubes wrenches, Sledge Hammers etc, they
are decent people with good intention.
Peace people do not try to kill at most provoke !
IDF flotilla 13 navy seals were coming with demonstrations control means
like paintballs. The pistol was last resolve. They had to shut down those
people that endangered their life as these were terrorists. Turkish
government forgot one thing, Hammas is a terror organization in list of
terror organizations. They coped with them and provided means and ship under
Turkish Flag, hence by international law they are supporters of terror.
Furthermore, they tried to enter by force to conflict area of sovereign
country, my country the State of Israel and for that they were stopped by
the Navy. If they had accepted the IDF call to harbor In Ashdod and ship the
goods after inspection there is no weapons and means of terror nothing had
been happened but they do not hence they are to be blamed.
You spoke about Jews killed by the Nazis, yes the were killed by them just
because they were Jews. There was a plan final solution. Auschwitz-
Birkenau in Poland was a death camp for Jews not Polish. Germans could kill so many Jews as
there were many collaborators in Europe gladly massacring my people. Jewish
nation contributed to mankind more than any others. This nation is 0.1% of
world’s population yet 25% and more of Noble Prizes are Jewish, In Physics ,
Math , Medicine , Science, Literature etc.
Jews were and are loyal to their countries, fought in their armies , yes,
yes in the Polish Army in WW2, and died for Poland in WW1 like my
grandfather’s cousin from Krakow. Like others that
fought for the German Army in WW1, Russian Army, French Army British Army,
US Army. But in Europe of WW2 this was forgotten all of this rich culture
was killed by the Nazis and their collaborators. One of them Hage Amin El
Hussainy a Palestinian that gave aid to Adolf Eichmann.
On the other hand show me what is the contribution of Arabs to Europe and
the world? Show me the loyalty of them.
This is all driven from antiemetic wave, as people are trying to cleanse
their ugly past from WW2 by comparing us to Nazis. It won’t work. We do not
have final solution. We are a democratic country with civil rights and
equality to all religious and minorities. With supreme court and judicial
system that you shall not see in Arab Islamic countries and Gaza.
You visited some countries as a tourist and had a glimpse to a moment in
there.
Indeed there are good people there but bad as well.
Yes you saw troops in Jerusalem in alert from terror attacks; yes you wait
in check point to the wailing wall in the old city as there were attacks on
people there, I wait there too when coming to visit. Yes people have fun in
Tel-Aviv since it is good to have fun in the land of sun. It is the same in
NY, LA, Nice, Paris, Warsaw, Berlin…. and yes there are terrorists in jail
houses. In the USA, in Russia , in UK, in Turkey where you see Kurdish
liberation activists.
One more thing Turkey performed genocide in 1914 they killed 1500,000
Armenian people.
Lastly my question for you is would you let one to launch rockets kill
massacre your people and do nothing?
I do not think so.
The IDF code of honor: no Army in the world will risk his troops as the
IDF in order to prevent killing of innocent people. IDF medical corps saved
the life of many.
Armenia 1989
Turkey 1999
Kenya US Embassy blasting mission of rescue IDF.
South America
Haiti 2010
Have you seen any Palestinian force, Iranian Force, Hammas Force, doing
life save as the IDF ? No you did not.
Where was Europe and peace lovers when Russia attacked Georgia?
So here are some links for you to read.
IDF web http://dover.idf.il/IDF/English/
Nobel Prize and contribution to man kind http://www.jinfo.org/ and
http://www.jinfo.org/Nobel_Prizes.html and
http://www.jewishmag.co.il/99mag/nobel/nobel.htm
CIA facts on Israel
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/is.html
Hage Amin El Hussainy
http://www.worldpoliticsreview.com/articles/2082/amin-al-husaini-and-the-holocaust-what-did-the-grand-mufti-know
Rescue missions of the IDF:
Kenya
http://idfspokesperson.com/2010/01/13/idf-search-and-rescue-pictures-from-india-and-kenya/
http://youtube.com/watch?v=mZuA9q8xHjA&feature=related
Turkey
http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/MFAArchive/1990_1999/1999/8/Israeli%20Aid%20for%20Turkish%20Earthquake%20Victims
Haiti
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSsCBuBVzQw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8OvnvuQcRA&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2T1FPd1bJyE&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TorIYLsUi_4&feature=related
And save me the time by saying you do not hate Jews but you are against Israel and Zionist as this trick of low level antiemetic is well known
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israel and its people pee on you and your opinions, the same people you protect will burn your house and claim your country, you are stupid. you can shove your website and your opinions up you ass.
Hi,
Thanks for taking interest in the Israeli Palestine conflict.
I guess that true response will be “I’m so against violent so I blocked my site for all people from all countries that their governments/leaders consistently use violent instead of peace option to resolved conflict”. And after saying that you should have blocked also the Palestinians, the Chines, and many others.
But you have chosen a different approach, and that may indicate on your sense of justness more than on the conflict and how to solve it.
Hope you will try and be able to see this conflict and others in more than black and white in the future and have a wonderful life.
Uri
@greg : ‘… is the manifestation of colonisation by displaced and persecuted people. ‘
you’re talking about Australia, right?
you should read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypocrisy . describes you best.
where were you when our house was rocketed? did anyone claim that this war crime should be stopped? 9 years of rockets and mortars! just last week we had 2 more fired at us.
Fact: Hamas claims publicly they want to destroy Israel.
Fact: Israel does not occupy Gaza. Israel withdrew.
Fact: Israel and Egypt blockade the coast of Gaza.
Fact: Every vessel which tried to enter was stopped (8 of them) with no violence
Fact: The ‘peace activists’ on the ship were trained soldiers who were paid and brought to stir things up (that’s according to a Turkish newspaper)
Fact: Every soldier is trained to shoot if he is attacked. Fortunately, the soldiers were elite so they only killed the attackers. no real peace activist was killed or injured (again – Turkish press)
Fact: According to IANA, the blockade and the taking of the ship was legal
Fact: All the supplies brought by the ships is rotting because Hamas don’t want to enter them into Gaza.
Don’t let the facts confuse you.
Dear Eyolf,
It appears you’re an intellectual,and well-read man (Given the option to put an emphasis on intellectual, I would most certainly use it). As such you probably came across those remarks of giants before, yet I fell the urge to bring them up here before you.
“Doubt is uncomfortable, certainty is ridiculous.”, Voltaire
I can understand the outbreak of emotions, but as soon as those would be pacified, I tempt you to ponder the meaning of the quote above.
Later on I would beg you to remember the phrase that a certain Roman orator made famous so long ago “Cui bono”?
Hopefully you’ll get the time to read this. I’ll be waiting eagerly to hear your thoughts.
“I cannot teach anybody anything, I can only make them think.”,Socrates
I agree! but we should not stop there, should we? I mean, its not like were anti-Israeli and racist; we want to boycott anyone who misbehaves, killing thousands and causing suffering, dont we?
Lets start with America. Everyone hates America, dont they? killing so many poor Germans and Japanese in WW-II, not to mention the Iraqi and Afgani people.
And Russia – didnt they kill thousands of Georgians just a year ago, with ‘guns and helicopters’?
China – I dont know how many they killed, but surely more than a few thousand.
Everyone in NATO – for all the poor civilians killed in the war in Afganisthan. This includes Denmark as well, of course. We should boycott ourselves and close this blog!
Soudan – we all know why, dont we?
Egypt – they’re responsible as well for Gaza, arent they? they have a border, and when poor Palestinians tried to cross it, they shot them.
Syria, Saudia, Jordan, and ALL Arab regimes – all kill many thousands of their people whenever its “necessary”. Same goes for Iran.
Lets not forget the peace seeking Turks, who kill thousands of Kurds whenever they fill threatened. The same Turks also murdered millions of Armenians during WW-I, and still deny it to this very day.
What about the Palestinians – they too murdered thousands of innocent civilians in the past years, havent they? although, true, they dont have helicopters. I wonder how many they would have killed had they did.
And to conclude, lets boycott the Bushmen. I really dont know what they did, but I just dont like them much, those Bushmen.
if you really want to know about the israeli-arab conflict, do it from the middle east, and choose a democratic country, oh sorry i forgot – there’s only one like that in the middle east – THAT’S ISRAEL !
either way, go to Sderot or go to Gaza, who gives a fuck about pepole like you
@Dani-
I’m an Israeli Jew and am proud of you for being able to find Eyolf’s name on google, but ashamed of how you quoted him completely out of context.
“The ritual killing of Daniel Pearl (a Jew-G.)… The fictitious cultural memories created by these false recalls of times supposedly immemorial try to hide the identity of the new originators of the blood accusation…we are called upon to expose publicly its constructed character and to raise our voices wherever it may be (re-)functionalized to engender hatred and death”.
It’s as if the author wrote “Blood libels are bad”, and you only read “Blood libels” and went and accused his editor of anti-semitism instead of staying within the borders the very real boycott argument.
And btw- look who’s on the cover http://books.google.com/books?id=ptwDhSLkSKkC&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q&f=false
So maybe you weren’t so intent on saying something nice after all.
@Eyolf: ‘Heavily armed’? your a joker. You call a paint-ball gun and a small 9 mm handgun ‘heavy armor’? are you real?
What would you do if you were the prime minister of Israel? Would you allow rockets to fall on your cities? Would you allow ships full off “unknown” enter this terror land without being checked?
I advice to every Muslim in the world to follow the original Koran good ways and not to follow those new age bed weeds of the Islam.
This tool is a must for every Muslim: http://www.islamic-toolbox.com
No sir, you are sickening. you know nothing about anything, you live in your pretty far far away country making accusations according to things you only see in the news, they tell you how to think and you do it. your a sheep.
go live in Israel couple of months and then go to gaza and you will see the truth in your OWN glittering eyes and then, only THEN you can go and write anything you like with using your own BRAIN that your god gave you. its there for a reason sir. its not only for decoration.
oh and first thing that should concern you is your own country and its affairs, not other countries that are thousands of miles away from you that you can only see through your TV screen.
and if you really want to be a good man, talk about China, Chechnya, Turkey and her never ending murder and crimes against the Armenians and the Kurds, talk about animal cruelty, starving people in Africa and Asia… and so on and on and on.
Some food for thought Sir Hypocrite. I hope you will open your eyes.
How does blocking Israelis’ access to Dylan’s lyrics and chords help change Israeli hearts and minds? Do you think Dylan’s music has made Israelis more likely to abuse Palestinians?
Hi Eyolf,
I think that your decision to block your site for Israelis is GREAT !!
cous its only shows clearly that you belong to the group of ignorant people who sits in Europe and think it has a fucking idea about what is going on !!!
You think that because you watch CNN you can tell who is right or wrong??
you are a fool !
But idiots like you never go, they only change!
Kind Regards
Tomer , Switzerland.
P.s about your site, you can shave it up your ass
Hi Eyolf,
I think that your decision to block your site for Israelis is GREAT !!
cous its only shows clearly that you belong to the group of ignorant people who sits in Europe and think it has a fucking idea about what is going on !!!
You think that because you watch CNN you can tell who is right or wrong??
you are a fool !
But idiots like you never go, they only change!
Kind Regards
Hi Eyolf,
I think that your decision to block your site for Israelis is GREAT !!
cous its only shows clearly that you belong to the group of ignorant people who sits in Europe and think it has a fucking idea about what is going on !!!
You think that because you watch CNN you can tell who is right or wrong??
you are a fool !
But idiots like you never go, they only change!
Kind Regards
P.s shave your site up your ass !!!
looking for Dylan…finding a political argument… After just attending a Dylan concert in the city of Bucharest, Romania, a few days ago… i must say 2 things… the concert was a bit disappointing and 2nd if Dylan would have known about this he wouldn’t have liked his work being politicized. To be true i am not that knowledgeable of the Israel-Palestinian war since i have not been living there… but i do know this… neither of the sides has been innocent. it’s true that Israelis voted its own government. but also the Palestinian when voting the HAMAS to power. an organization which massacred its own opposition, denies woman right and does not acknowledge the Jews right for a state… yet you have put no ban on them. And how about the Turkish people? Turky killed over a million Armenian and to this day do not even recognize it, not to mention their attacks on the Kurdistanian people whom home they took., yet no blocking of them. How about Iraqis whose government killed so many Kurdistanians, Iranian etc’ with chemical and biological warfer? USA people (Afghanistan, Iraq)? Bosnia, Half of the countries of Africa? having the luck to have both Israeli and Arab friend iv’e seen the real people whom you so happily block… not through a TV screen but up close and personal. I can tell you that both of them are good people, just as in all countries, who just want to live in peace and are just hunted by years of wars and miss trust. if you truly want to help, instead of judging and blocking, try to understand and bridge… that would help the people of Gaza a lot more then not allowing access to Israelis to your site. (this does not by any mean to say i support the Israeli action… but one most be truly objective when approaching such a harsh action). peace, shalom, salam, pace!
@Mark, you said: “Arabs within Israel have no right to reside in the state with a partner who is from the West Bank or Gaza. Racist much?”
Not racist at all. Jews within Israel also have no right to reside in the state with a partner who is from the West Bank or Gaza. Where do you see racism?
Eyolf, I’m sorry.. you’re just not very smart are you. That’s fine as long as you don’t spread your dumbness. Stupidity is addictive. You are a source. Therefore, shut up (unless you want to learn seriously about the conflict and then make an opinion). What you wrote there.. It just shows me how much you’re clueless. And you’re a clueless who makes big decisions which is… (some other word for stupid).
All the worst radicals in the world that want to destroy west democracy from Muslims to Radical Socialists join together to heat the weakest point of this world. For misleading the people they use human rights vocabulary, however their intentions are violent. This week more than 500 people were killed around the world in Somali, Sudan, Iran etc. Did you see any protests of these “human rights defenders”? They intentions are demolishing of single democracy in the Middle East.
Israel 2010 = Czechoslovakia 1938
Look at the mourners, bloody great hypocrites
It is so easy to sit in Europe and say that Israel is evil but if i were you i would be enraged for the cynical use of humanitarian causes to smuggle bloodthirsty violent men to make war – not love.
As Bob put it so nicely –
Well, he knocked out a lynch mob, he was criticized
Old women condemned him, said he should apologize.
All the Best to all you European
may the ten percent Muslims in your land be as peace seeking as the ones in Gaza
Israel Israel and Israel.
Is this the only place on earth?
There are some many bad things in the world but ppl seems to pick only on Israel. Why is that?
What about Iran, Russia,Turkey, Sudan, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, USA did you blocked them also?
I feel sorry for you!
Good morning from israel , Adolf !
Eyolf You are wrong! This is not good thing to do.
Eyolf,
Being myself Israeli, I naturally disagree with the way you look at the situation here. Things look differently when you actually live at the actual site where all this is actually happening.
Furthermore, I usually consider boycotts and divestments useless and inefficient.
However, I can only raise my hat in respect to your decision to put your voice and actions behind your political beliefs and close your site to visitors from Israel, even though you lose traffic from this country, many of whose residents are great fans of Dylan and are the natural target of your site.
I wish more people in this world were as honest, as brave and as sincere as you, Eyolf.
Nahum Wengrov,
Jerusalem,
Israel
You, sir, are a not very smart man. It’s obvious that all that you know about a conflict you heard only from pro-Palestinian sources. As a man of science, with a Ph.D., you should know how a real research is done.
You are ignorant, blind, hateful, intolerant pseudo-liberal who has no idea what he’s talking about, just like any other left-wing European. I would like to point just one thing in this post of yours – you obviously have no idea what fascism is or you just don’t know anything about the state of Israel if you think that Israel is a fascist state. I suggest you to learn the facts first and write such a posts later, in order not to look foolish.
And now you may ban Israelis also from this blog, just to show how cool you are.
And just to add..
Israel is not an asshole. Israel is a big giant dick. Hamas (and Bin Laden and Achmadinajad and all their nice little friends) are assholes, and people such as yourself are a bunch of pussies. Pussies don’t like dicks because pussies get fucked by dicks. But dicks also fuck assholes. Sometimes dicks fuck too much or fuck when it isn’t appropriate, and it takes a pussy to show them that. But sometimes pussies get so full of shit that they become assholes themselves, because pussies are only an inch and a half away from assholes. I don’t know much about this crazy world, but I do know that if the world doesn’t let us fuck these assholes, we are going to have our dicks and our pussies all covered in shit.
Credit to Team America.
i read everything posted here, and i felt a need to respond.
i have a feeling that all this arguement is making us miss the point. let me ask you something:
can anyone please tell me how many countries are banned from the website?
is north korean ip banned? how about ruanda? china? iran? syria? yemen? afhganisthan? russia?
as many of you surely know, i could go on and on with this list.
is the palestinian people the only people in the whole world which are denied – supposedly – basic human needs?
did u block this site for palestinians when they bombed israeli cities for years, killing innocent citizens in buses and shopping malls?
i have a feeling that we all know the answers for these questions. don’t hide behind terms like “human aid” and “peaceful intentions”, let’s just call this what it really is: plain racism. good ole’ antisemitism.
Hi Eyolf,
you might want to read the following article written by the Danish institute for international studies, titled Jihad in Denmark written by Michael Taarnby Jensen, your fellow country-man.
It is my hope that after reading this document you will learn how Denmark, your beloved country will turn an Islamic state in the next 30 Years.
You would also be amazed at the amount of terrorist cells in Denmark alone, working towards Jihad. It is a fact that the muslims have not forgotten the crusades, but in the next years, you and your children and your childrens’ children will have the same way of life as you have enjoyed till today.
Israel has been in this position, under a Jihadist attack for the past 60 years, my opinion is that it might continue for the next 60 years, but it would be interesting to know, after you read the article, how do you imagine your life in the next 30 years, when the muslim population in Denmark will rise to 25% then 30% and then they will sing Neighborhood Bully on how they defeated the Danish people.
Since the amount of comments for your posts are overwhelming i admit that i did not read all of them, but i would like to note that i condemn any act of violence, verbal or physical for this matter, and hope that you would find to condemn acts of violence performed by Hamas and not just Israel.
It is certain that you would want me to condemn the people that will live in your homeland in 30-40 years and might imprison your wife/daughter/niece/granddaughter for not wearing a burka, a punishment in Iran, the islamic state, for not wearing a burka is 20-50 lashes with a leather belt.
Is this the future you see for Denmark. I HOPE NOT, but we do not want this either.
Might i take this chance and offer you to come visit Israel, Me casa es su casa :-), you will have a bedroom, with board and free WiFi, to update your blog.
If you really want to know the truth, come see it up close!
Respectfully,
NB
It is a fact that the muslims have not forgotten the crusades, but in the next years, you and your children and your childrens’ children will _NOT_ have the same way of life as you have enjoyed till today.
It is interesting to me that the BBC in the UK have decided on creating this web page:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4385768.stm
it is soooo easy to sit in Europe far from here and judge and have an opinion
humans are just the same everywhere. we have good guy, bad guy like anywhere else in the world.
Shame on you!!!!
did u come to Israel? to Gaza? did u see how it is looking from here? the reality?
don’t u understand that u see just what the media wants u to see?
all just for the rating!!!!
preach for peace and understanding not for hatred! especially when you deal with Bob Dylan poetry and music!
hi
i think that you hav a lot of misunderstending of what is happing in the middle east.
so i personlly invite you to be my gust in israel and i will show you around/ we will meet with israeli arabs and with palestinien
i will encounter you with th all range of persons who live in the state of israel and in the west bank.
if you are a rael humaniste please except my invitetion that comes from a real humaniste person
idont want to make propaganda i only want that so see in person and not from the media thefacts and then decide for yourself what is the truth.
im an left wing israeli, im a teacher and i really want you to be my gust at the kibbuts im living in
you can write me to my mail im very cincire
mick
@Your Mother
One of the greatest movie speeches of all time :)
and indeed, this european pussies are only an inch and a half away from Hamas’ assholes, this is so insightful!
By the way, Dr. Eyolf, you forgot to tell the Israeli visitors how to vote in the next elections.
What if they vote again for a party you don’t approve? That won’t give them access to the chords.
Please tell them in advanced who to vote for.
A rotten childhood does not justify being an asshole.
What is your excuse for being an asshole then?
Hey Eylof,
I understand your rage and anger, and I am not too happy about what happened, obviously.
You don’t have to agree with what I say, but at least try to listen to the facts, because it seems you might be misinformed. Israel has not killed thousands of achmeds, in this specific action or in total. And if you count the loss of lives on both sides they come out quite equal.
Now let me ask you this… If someone was coming to your country (by boat or plane or any other way), and you had a suspicion they are carrying weapons which might be used against you, wouldn’t you want to check it out? Unless you have a death wish I suspect you would. Israel requested in many ways, to simply board the vessels and make sure there are no weapons on board. This request was denied. Even at sea this request was made again, to board quietly and look around and again – denied. So what would you have done instead?
Now, you might claim that Israel has no authority over Palestinian territories, and therefor is not allowed to make such a request. I would agree with that if the world was consistent. However look at what’s going on in the world in other places…
The western world is afraid Iran will develop nuclear weapons and attack it. So it allows itself (with force) to go in and check what’s going on. It employ sanctions on Iran. It interfaces many transports to Iran because they might contain something related to nuclear weapons (even though it theoretically has no right over that territory).
Another example… Al-Quaida attacked the US in a vicious terror attack. What did the US do. Forcibly enter Afganistan (meaning attack another country) with all it’s power to crush any Al-Quaida presence there. Civilians were hurt in the process (naturally).
There are many more examples in the world, but I want to ask you what is the difference between them and Israel’s wish to defend itself? I’m seriously asking to understand why the Israeli situation is viewed so differently??
Israel has never attacked anyone unless it had concrete information of a threat. Israel has never attacked any civilians directly (alway military locations or people). The terrorists of palestine attack ONLY Israeli civilians, they almost never attack the army.
Israel has already recognized in the need for a Palestinian state, even though most of the arab world does not recognize the right of Israel to exist. Do you honestly think it’s fair??
Do you expect people not to defend themselves.
The sad thing is that if you were here, you would see that in reality the war is just between the Israeli army and the Hamas (oh… and the Israeli civilians the Hamas attacks).
The rest of us, simple folk, on both sides have had enough.
Eyolf plese read it all before you take aside,
As a proud iaraeli I was born & raise here and served my country, I can just tell you that you could’nt be any more wrong then that.
I dont know how come people are taking any sides when they are not even here to know and see the truth.
You must understand that israel is the only country in world that gives millions of shekels worth of supplys to people that want to kill us all just because we are jews.
And we do that cuz we know that not all of them are like that…some are good and they all got children that born in to terrorisem and to terrorists that are using them!!
there own children!! as human shilds….
and we can prove it all…but unfortunately whom ever counroll the midia counroll the world. And those films I see every day of the truth can not be seen by your country’s network.
But if you are really a justice seeker like me…you can reach me in my e-mail I just left here (because I am not a fraide of the truth) and I will send you some of the movie clips I am talking about.
Eyolf, If you really want to be a hero of justice in the eys of god you must do your home work first and only then you can be true to your self.
I hope you read it all and that you will keep in touch.
nir
Dear Sir,
We appreciate you boycott on Israel; really we do not know how we will manage to live without this tremendous service.
I invite you to come to Israel and spend a few weeks in Sderot where during the last couple of years since the Hamas, an internally recognized terror organization, has been “peacefully” launching thousands of mortar rockets and missiles on Southern Israel cities.
Of course Israel, the neighborhood bully, should sit back while women and children’s life’s are terrorized intentionally. God forbid Israel after 7 years of absorbing this missiles, 3 years of holding Gilad Shalit without out a single visit from the red cross, should decide that enough is enough and it is time to defend its citizens. I wonder how many visits the Hamas prisoners in Israel have received from their families. How many visits has Gilad Shalit received?
So sit in you nice home in Denmark, sip on your cup of espresso, and please ban all things Israeli. We have more important things to worry about here than people who have no idea what it is like to live in this part of the neighborhood.
I hope that in the near future you will open your eyes and see what the future hold’s for parts of Europe as you do everything possible to invite these sharks into your waters.
Proud Israeli.
Where are you now? you pathetic blog become very interesting with all these Israeli comments but I wonder what do you want to say now. good arguments – really want to hear your answers to all
anyway guys – to much attention to this fool is not that good
So, you tried to deny people from Israel from entering your site, and instead you got hundreds of them commenting on your ignorant and hypocrite approach to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. I have to say it’s pretty funny.
It’s amazing that as somebody who lives among cultural terrorists who would kill because of a caricature of Muhammed, you still support them in their smear campaign against the state of Israel.
I invite you to come to Israel and witness that 20% of its citizens are arabs, enjying full rights just as any other Israeli citizen, Jew or not; That Arabic is a formal language, just as Hebrew is; How Palestinians in the West Bank are living their lives comparing to Palestinians in Gaza. How Israel allows the entry of humanitarian aid to Gaza, but Hammas declines it.
All i have to say to many of you and Greg in particular is that;
I an Israeli born Australian have a grave fear for my life to enter Bankstown in Sydney or Preston and Broadmeadows in Melbourne (largely populated by Arabic countries originated immigrants).
Why you ask, well that’s because I’m a Jewish person that was born in Israel.
You might think that I’m only saying it to make a point, however i was already attacked serval times either physically or verbally by individuals in those suburb due to the fact i was speaking Hebrew (my mother language).
Is this Australia a free country? Can you as an Aussie visit those suburb with a sense of security?
Why can’t I, i left Israel to escape it all to a promised land which i remembered from my first visit at 1993 to be a hell of allot different.
Moving forward you might think that this is all to do with Israel, soon you all will realise what mistake you’ve made.
@gili
You are right and I am Sorry, my mistake,the second I saw it i was impulsed by anger.
at list I gen admit when doing so,did saw Aylof doing the same.
I don’t know if you interested in learning the facts or you only want to express your opinion (which is also fine).
If you do interested in the facts you are welcome to read this series of articles describing the facts about the conflict and showing how much hypocrisy there is in this matter from all over the world.
I guess you’ll ignore my comment, and probably delete it because this debate is not on truth and rights, it is on who captured the heart and who looks weaker, but weak is not always right.
1. The Arab world is subject to genocide, it is true. It’s just that it’s mostly self-inflicted – http://www.nrg.co.il/online/1/ART1/483/521.html
2. The Plight of the Refugees – http://www.mideasttruth.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5990
3. AND THE WORLD PAYS – http://www.nrg.co.il/online/1/ART1/529/562.html/
4. The trap of self-delusion – http://www.nrg.co.il/online/1/ART1/571/620.html
This one is shorter – https://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0AWXYV56qlacKZGdwYzRoYzlfMTg1aG1ndmtzZnc&hl=en
And just in case you’ll want to know what Israel brought to the world – http://www.mideasttruth.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=19926
Eyolf Ostrem, you just showed us that you really know nothing about the Israeli- Palestinian conflict, therefore you do not have the right to criticise any of the sides.
and just in case you missed it…
Well, the neighborhood bully, he’s just one man
His enemies say he’s on their land
They got him outnumbered about a million to one
He got no place to escape to, no place to run
He’s the neighborhood bully.
The neighborhood bully he just lives to survive
He’s criticized and condemned for being alive
He’s not supposed to fight back, he’s supposed to have thick skin
He’s supposed to lay down and die when his door is kicked in
He’s the neighborhood bully.
The neighborhood bully been driven out of every land
He’s wandered the earth an exiled man
Seen his family scattered, his people hounded and torn
He’s always on trial for just being born
He’s the neighborhood bully.
Well, he knocked out a lynch mob, he was criticized
Old women condemned him, said he could apologize
Then he destroyed a bomb factory, nobody was glad
The bombs were meant for him. He was supposed to feel bad
He’s the neighborhood bully.
Well, the chances are against it, and the odds are slim
That he’ll live by the rules that the world makes for him
‘Cause there’s a noose at his neck and a gun at his back
And a licence to kill him is given out to every maniac
He’s the neighborhood bully.
Well, he got no allies to really speak of
What he gets he must pay for, he don’t get it out of love
He buys obsolete weapons and he won’t be denied
But no one sends flesh and blood to fight by his side
He’s the neighborhood bully.
Well, he’s surrounded by pacifists who all want peace
They pray for it nightly that the bloodshed must cease
Now, they wouldn’t hurt a fly. To hurt one they would weep
They lay and they wait for this bully to fall asleep
He’s the neighborhood bully.
Every empire that’s enslaved him is gone
Egypt and Rome, even the great Babylon
He’s made a garden of paradise in the desert sand
In bed with nobody, under no one’s command
He’s the neighborhood bully.
Now his holiest books have been trampled upon
No contract that he signed was worth that what it was written on
He took the crumbs of the world and he turned it into wealth
Took sickness and disease and he turned it into health
He’s the neighborhood bully.
What’s anybody indebted to him for ?
Nothing, they say. He just likes to cause war
Pride and prejudice and superstition indeed
They wait for this bully like a dog waits to feed
He’s the neighborhood bully.
What has he done to wear so many scars ?
Does he change the course of rivers ? Does he pollute the moon and stars ?
Neighborhood bully, standing on the hill
Running out the clock, time standing still
Neighborhood bully.
In a world in which North Korea sinks a South Korean naval vessel killing dozens, Iran arms Islamic terrorists, who kill hundreds, Russia bombs Chechnya, killing thousands, and the United States and Great Britain, while targeting al Qaida and Taliban, kill an indeterminate number of civilians, only Israel is subjected to international “investigations” such as that conducted by Richard Goldstone and that being called for by the Security Council in the wake of the recent flotilla fiasco.
Why only Israel? Why is the United Nations silent about other situations that cry out for international investigations? Surely it’s not because what Israel did was worse than what other member nations have done. Certainly it’s not because Israel lacks self-criticism or mechanisms for internal investigation. Plainly it’s not because the other “offenders” were provoked, while Israel was unprovoked.
There is only one answer – because Israel has long been singled out for public scrutiny and opprobrium by the United Nations in particular and the international community in general.
Sorry to say that, but I think most european people can`t handle the mass of Muslems in there own countries.
I know you don`t want your country demographics to change, but they will change it for you. maybe that is the reason you boycutt Israel. I don`t know. trying to be nice to your future landlords.
A lot of the “western” European countries are full with millions of muslems, all of your demographics is changeing… is that going to be the real problame for “Christian” Europeans?
Dear Eyolf Østrem ,
1. As a musicologist, have you ever checked to see how many Hebrew songs contain the word “SHALOM” – peace? I don’t think there is another nation on this planet with so many songs, yearning for peace. I haven’t checked, but I presume the amount of songs in Arabic (taking into account the number of Arab countries) is close to nothing. I would be more than happy to be proved wrong!
2. I want to personally invite you to a concert with the Israel Philharmonic Orchestra with Conductor Zubin Mehta & singer Shlomo Artzi which will take place opposite the Gaza Strip in order to arise international public opinion to the fact that Israeli soldier Gilad Shalit has been in captivity for 4 years, without basic human rights, like visits from the Red Cross etc. Too bad we can’t arrange a flotilla to Gaza for him…
3. I will personally have you stay over in my home, on a left-wing kibbutz, 4.5 km from the Gaza border, hopefully there will not be any reason to run for shelter in case of mortar or Kassam firing (not that we have shelters…).
4. Next day, we can go to the Kerem Shalom (vineyard of peace) border crossing so you can see first hand the supplies (not humanitarian aid!) being transported into Gaza on a daily basis, even though they are basically at state of war with Israel.
5. You wrote “A fascist, belligerent regime is not justifiable by any past, no matter how cruel and injust it has been.”
I take it you were referring to Israel. But as Wikipedia states:
“Fascists believe that a nation is an organic community that requires strong leadership, singular collective identity, and the will and ability to commit violence and wage war in order to keep the nation strong. They claim that culture is created by collective national society and its state, that cultural ideas are what give individuals identity, and thus rejects individualism. In viewing the nation as an integrated collective community, they claim that pluralism is a dysfunctional aspect of society, and justify a totalitarian state as a means to represent the nation in its entirety. They advocate the creation of a single-party state. Fascist governments forbid and suppress openness and opposition to the fascist state and the fascist movement. They identify violence and war as actions that create national regeneration, spirit and vitality”.
Oddly, that sounds a lot closer to the Hamas regime than to the democratic State of Israel. When was the last time you saw a peace march (No More War-No More Bloodshed) in the Gaza strip or the West Bank?
I can only presume that you are against collective punishment by Israel onto the people of Gaza. Isn’t your own private boycott of the state of Israel and anything/-one associated with it much the same?
If our ultimate goal is to have world peace, wouldn’t sitting down and trying to settle our differences by talking make more sense than fighting, boycotting or just plain “I’m mad at you so we’re not talking” ?
This world could surely use some group therapy!!!
Thought of the day:
WAR DOES NOT DETERMINE WHO IS RIGHT – BUT WHO IS LEFT.
Shalom y’all
It’s about time you all understand. Instead of asking “where are they when rockets are shot on Sderot for 8 years?” or “Where are all the bleeding hearts when it comes to other tyrant regimes?”, it’s about time we understand that we’re way past these questions.
There’s one way they can come to terms with Jews, and one way only. In memorials.
Jews, in eyes of the gentiles, were created since the dawn of history to be victims. A jew fighting back? And WINNING? That’s where they lose it…
And check this 6 minute documentary. Have nothing else to say…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXwX1tD1EBs&feature=player_embedded
FUCK YOU! RUDE LETTER FOLLOWS.