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	<description>Eyolf Østrem on Dylan, Computers, and then some</description>
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		<title>By: Eyolf Østrem</title>
		<link>http://oestrem.com/thingstwice/2009/12/someone-please-fire-jack-frost/comment-page-1/#comment-51193</link>
		<dc:creator>Eyolf Østrem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jul 2011 17:16:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent article! Thanks for the link.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent article! Thanks for the link.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
		<link>http://oestrem.com/thingstwice/2009/12/someone-please-fire-jack-frost/comment-page-1/#comment-51172</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jun 2011 18:20:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.uncut.co.uk/music/bob_dylan/special_features/12361

This is the first time i read your blog... been a long time user of your tab works (thanks for that by the way).  Figured i&#039;d put an old article up that consists of an interview with Dylan&#039;s newest sound man, Chris Shaw.  
Enjoy yourself,
Kevin</description>
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<p>This is the first time i read your blog&#8230; been a long time user of your tab works (thanks for that by the way).  Figured i&#8217;d put an old article up that consists of an interview with Dylan&#8217;s newest sound man, Chris Shaw.<br />
Enjoy yourself,<br />
Kevin</p>
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		<title>By: A.F.</title>
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		<dc:creator>A.F.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 23:42:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/17777619/the_death_of_high_fidelity/print
I found this article on the Loudness War pretty funny.

&quot;To an average listener, a wide dynamic range creates a sense of spaciousness and makes it easier to pick out individual instruments — as you can hear on recent albums such as Dylan&#039;s Modern Times...&quot;

&quot;Here are three recent albums noted for their depth and dynamic range...
GOOD
Modern Times, Bob Dylan
On these albums, the music breathes: Check out the true-to-life sound of Dylan&#039;s &#039;Thunder on the Mountain.&#039;&quot;</description>
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I found this article on the Loudness War pretty funny.</p>
<p>&#8220;To an average listener, a wide dynamic range creates a sense of spaciousness and makes it easier to pick out individual instruments — as you can hear on recent albums such as Dylan&#8217;s Modern Times&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Here are three recent albums noted for their depth and dynamic range&#8230;<br />
GOOD<br />
Modern Times, Bob Dylan<br />
On these albums, the music breathes: Check out the true-to-life sound of Dylan&#8217;s &#8216;Thunder on the Mountain.&#8217;&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: heiner</title>
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		<dc:creator>heiner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Dec 2009 10:02:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>About the The Loudness War: This video, which is also on &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cinchreview.com/bob-dylan-audio-scandal/570&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Sean Curnyn&#039;s blog&lt;/a&gt;, explains the problem in 1:52 minutes, and my ears can certainly hear this differences &lt;em&gt;there&lt;/em&gt;:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Gmex_4hreQ&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Gmex_4hreQ&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>About the The Loudness War: This video, which is also on <a href="http://www.cinchreview.com/bob-dylan-audio-scandal/570" rel="nofollow">Sean Curnyn&#8217;s blog</a>, explains the problem in 1:52 minutes, and my ears can certainly hear this differences <em>there</em>:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Gmex_4hreQ" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Gmex_4hreQ</a></p>
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		<title>By: Eyolf Østrem</title>
		<link>http://oestrem.com/thingstwice/2009/12/someone-please-fire-jack-frost/comment-page-1/#comment-49956</link>
		<dc:creator>Eyolf Østrem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Dec 2009 05:30:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Greg: Don&#039;t worry, I&#039;m used to people disagreeing with me -- some more respectfully than others. I do think Modern Times is a fine album with some great songs on it, and Together Through Life is an album with some fine songs on it. If you think more highly of them, I&#039;m happy for you. .)

@Darrell: Thanks for that link. I was thinking of putting up some more general link like that, but you beat me to it. I also agree about Tell Tale Signs -- it&#039;s a treasure trove.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Greg: Don&#8217;t worry, I&#8217;m used to people disagreeing with me &#8212; some more respectfully than others. I do think Modern Times is a fine album with some great songs on it, and Together Through Life is an album with some fine songs on it. If you think more highly of them, I&#8217;m happy for you. .)</p>
<p>@Darrell: Thanks for that link. I was thinking of putting up some more general link like that, but you beat me to it. I also agree about Tell Tale Signs &#8212; it&#8217;s a treasure trove.</p>
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		<title>By: Darrell Wheeler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Darrell Wheeler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Dec 2009 03:24:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>by &quot;TLT&quot; I mean &quot;TTL&quot; of course.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>by &#8220;TLT&#8221; I mean &#8220;TTL&#8221; of course.</p>
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		<title>By: Darrell Wheeler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Darrell Wheeler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Dec 2009 03:18:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eyolf, Just thought I would direct readers to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loudness_war. well worth a read for those not familiar with the issue. This may be something that is more noticable to musicians, for whom dynamics is one of the tools of their trade. I&#039;ve become convinced that most CD&#039;s are mastered to be listened to in cars and hence the push to make the quiet bits louder. In Jack Frosts defence I suspect that many times the &quot;boost signal and hard limit&quot; decision is made by whoever is mastering it for pressing. Bob knows what he likes, he&#039;s surely approving Jack&#039;s finally mixxes but the sound probably changes afair bit after he hands the hard drive (or however it works) off the Company Men.

As an aside i might mention I agree with you for the most part about the last few albums. I think Love and Theft is a masterwork but must confess I don&#039;t really get the enthusiasim for Modern Times. I think it&#039;s half good. &quot;TLT&quot; 1/4 good. Tell Tale Signs works to confirm what we always knew, Bob should maybe record the songs and then let someone else pick what ends up on the records. Christmas In The Heart, a return to form I say.

Love your work!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eyolf, Just thought I would direct readers to <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loudness_war" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loudness_war</a>. well worth a read for those not familiar with the issue. This may be something that is more noticable to musicians, for whom dynamics is one of the tools of their trade. I&#8217;ve become convinced that most CD&#8217;s are mastered to be listened to in cars and hence the push to make the quiet bits louder. In Jack Frosts defence I suspect that many times the &#8220;boost signal and hard limit&#8221; decision is made by whoever is mastering it for pressing. Bob knows what he likes, he&#8217;s surely approving Jack&#8217;s finally mixxes but the sound probably changes afair bit after he hands the hard drive (or however it works) off the Company Men.</p>
<p>As an aside i might mention I agree with you for the most part about the last few albums. I think Love and Theft is a masterwork but must confess I don&#8217;t really get the enthusiasim for Modern Times. I think it&#8217;s half good. &#8220;TLT&#8221; 1/4 good. Tell Tale Signs works to confirm what we always knew, Bob should maybe record the songs and then let someone else pick what ends up on the records. Christmas In The Heart, a return to form I say.</p>
<p>Love your work!</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Peters</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg Peters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Dec 2009 02:48:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eyolf - 
First off- thanks so much for the vast amounts of time and effort i know you&#039;ve spent on this wonderful site. It has given me so many hours off playing time with one of my favorites. 
Now - I just want to say that i agree on &#039;Christmas in the heart&#039; - a beautiful album.  Bobs interpretation of these songs makes me feel like i am hearing them for the very first time. Little Drummer boy actually brings tears to my eyes! 
However i have to respectfully disagree with your assessment of Bob&#039;s output of the last decade. In my mind, this has been an incredibly rich period - as Dylan settles in to maturity. His writing is still filled with dry wit, and thought-provoking imagery. The production and musicianship of his recent albums has never been better. And as torn and ragged as his voice has become - for my money, he is one of the greatest singers alive - giving his lyrics life with remarkable character and charisma. 
I hope you&#039;ll come to appreciate Bob&#039;s recent output as much as i do. In the mean time, keep up the great work - and again - thanks so much!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eyolf &#8211;<br />
First off- thanks so much for the vast amounts of time and effort i know you&#8217;ve spent on this wonderful site. It has given me so many hours off playing time with one of my favorites.<br />
Now &#8211; I just want to say that i agree on &#8216;Christmas in the heart&#8217; &#8211; a beautiful album.  Bobs interpretation of these songs makes me feel like i am hearing them for the very first time. Little Drummer boy actually brings tears to my eyes!<br />
However i have to respectfully disagree with your assessment of Bob&#8217;s output of the last decade. In my mind, this has been an incredibly rich period &#8211; as Dylan settles in to maturity. His writing is still filled with dry wit, and thought-provoking imagery. The production and musicianship of his recent albums has never been better. And as torn and ragged as his voice has become &#8211; for my money, he is one of the greatest singers alive &#8211; giving his lyrics life with remarkable character and charisma.<br />
I hope you&#8217;ll come to appreciate Bob&#8217;s recent output as much as i do. In the mean time, keep up the great work &#8211; and again &#8211; thanks so much!</p>
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		<title>By: Eyolf Østrem</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eyolf Østrem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 19:08:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve never really believed in that whole &quot;CDs sound cold, LPs warm&quot; line of argument, and until now, I&#039;ve always believed it was just as much an emotional thing than an acoustic, but the practice of over-compression on CDs all of a sudden makes it plausible. 
For the record (pun intended, albeit not very funny...), I&#039;m just referring to what other people have found out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve never really believed in that whole &#8220;CDs sound cold, LPs warm&#8221; line of argument, and until now, I&#8217;ve always believed it was just as much an emotional thing than an acoustic, but the practice of over-compression on CDs all of a sudden makes it plausible.<br />
For the record (pun intended, albeit not very funny&#8230;), I&#8217;m just referring to what other people have found out.</p>
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		<title>By: Delvis Crasho</title>
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		<dc:creator>Delvis Crasho</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 16:49:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eyolf:

I can not possibly agree more with what you&#039;ve written. While I was listening to Modern Times on vinyl, I could not help but feel like I&#039;d been cheated. Modern Times compressed in the CD format is a cold thing. A sharp tinsel sound. The same songs, while on wax, are warm &amp; expansive.

On a side note, I&#039;ve been a long time visitor of this site for the most comprehensive Dylan tabs, &amp; I just now found your little blog space. I look forward to reading more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eyolf:</p>
<p>I can not possibly agree more with what you&#8217;ve written. While I was listening to Modern Times on vinyl, I could not help but feel like I&#8217;d been cheated. Modern Times compressed in the CD format is a cold thing. A sharp tinsel sound. The same songs, while on wax, are warm &amp; expansive.</p>
<p>On a side note, I&#8217;ve been a long time visitor of this site for the most comprehensive Dylan tabs, &amp; I just now found your little blog space. I look forward to reading more.</p>
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		<title>By: heiner</title>
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		<dc:creator>heiner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 13:03:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;One can of course still find the ‘original mp3’ of &lt;i&gt;Beyond Here Lies Nothing&lt;/i&gt;. However, my ears don&#039;t hear any enhanced sound quality compared to the CD version of that song.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;However, I&#039;d be really interested to &lt;strike&gt;pirate&lt;/strike&gt; come to own a digitalized version of the LPs of those recent albums. But it seems noone has both the equipment, the LPs and the good will to provide that.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One can of course still find the ‘original mp3’ of <i>Beyond Here Lies Nothing</i>. However, my ears don&#8217;t hear any enhanced sound quality compared to the CD version of that song.</p>
<p>However, I&#8217;d be really interested to <strike>pirate</strike> come to own a digitalized version of the LPs of those recent albums. But it seems noone has both the equipment, the LPs and the good will to provide that.</p>
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