Comments on: Church of Bob http://oestrem.com/thingstwice/2009/02/church-of-bob/ Eyolf Østrem on Dylan, Computers, and then some Sat, 19 May 2012 10:47:26 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.4 By: Wichita http://oestrem.com/thingstwice/2009/02/church-of-bob/comment-page-1/#comment-49722 Wichita Tue, 01 Dec 2009 17:38:37 +0000 http://oestrem.com/thingstwice/?p=103#comment-49722 Eyolf Østrem, you've done much for not only a trans-generational and classless community of Dylan devotees, but, also, for each hopeful person who realizes Art is an activity of "being-with" others. Eyolf Østrem, you’ve done much for not only a trans-generational and classless community of Dylan devotees, but, also, for each hopeful person who realizes Art is an activity of “being-with” others.

]]> By: Oisin O'Faghain http://oestrem.com/thingstwice/2009/02/church-of-bob/comment-page-1/#comment-44525 Oisin O'Faghain Sat, 09 May 2009 19:41:57 +0000 http://oestrem.com/thingstwice/?p=103#comment-44525 I'm not sure how he felt on the Isle, but he sounded pretty awful. But I suppose its all opinions 'n' shit in the end. I’m not sure how he felt on the Isle, but he sounded pretty awful. But I suppose its all opinions ‘n’ shit in the end.

]]> By: Eyolf Østrem http://oestrem.com/thingstwice/2009/02/church-of-bob/comment-page-1/#comment-44477 Eyolf Østrem Fri, 08 May 2009 22:10:47 +0000 http://oestrem.com/thingstwice/?p=103#comment-44477 I actually have a soft spot for the version on Self Portrait -- contrary to what one might think, given my attitude towards that album. It may not be the best version, but it certainly is the most hilarious, different, energetic, strange one. I don't know what he was on during the '66 tour, but on that particular track from Isle of Wight he sounds like he's on acid mixed with helium (the "Fly high" coctail). Another favorite is the one from the last night of the 66 tour, the one which is "dedicated to the Taj Mahaaal" and where he claims that "we've enjoyed <em>every</em> moment of being here". If anything, he sings "How does it feel" as if he means it. I actually have a soft spot for the version on Self Portrait — contrary to what one might think, given my attitude towards that album. It may not be the best version, but it certainly is the most hilarious, different, energetic, strange one. I don’t know what he was on during the ’66 tour, but on that particular track from Isle of Wight he sounds like he’s on acid mixed with helium (the “Fly high” coctail).
Another favorite is the one from the last night of the 66 tour, the one which is “dedicated to the Taj Mahaaal” and where he claims that “we’ve enjoyed every moment of being here”. If anything, he sings “How does it feel” as if he means it.

]]> By: Oisin O'Faghain http://oestrem.com/thingstwice/2009/02/church-of-bob/comment-page-1/#comment-43931 Oisin O'Faghain Sat, 25 Apr 2009 22:52:07 +0000 http://oestrem.com/thingstwice/?p=103#comment-43931 In light of my previous, wonderful contribution, I am yet undecided on the best version of Like A Rolling Stone (its not on 61 and we can safely rule out Self-Portrait). I'm stuck between the version on unplugged, which is better musically (those divine strings), and the version on bootleg 4 which always sends shivers down my spine when he plays it so fucking loud. What thinks you Rabbi Eyolf? It is the criteria of criticism to choose betwixt necessities. Slainte In light of my previous, wonderful contribution, I am yet undecided on the best version of Like A Rolling Stone (its not on 61 and we can safely rule out Self-Portrait). I’m stuck between the version on unplugged, which is better musically (those divine strings), and the version on bootleg 4 which always sends shivers down my spine when he plays it so fucking loud. What thinks you Rabbi Eyolf? It is the criteria of criticism to choose betwixt necessities. Slainte

]]> By: Oisin O'Faghain http://oestrem.com/thingstwice/2009/02/church-of-bob/comment-page-1/#comment-43930 Oisin O'Faghain Sat, 25 Apr 2009 22:45:56 +0000 http://oestrem.com/thingstwice/?p=103#comment-43930 I used to be a devout follower of the Church of Bob. I believed in the literal translation of the holy texts: Dylan said "Don't stand in the doorway"; I have have killed four people who stood in doorways. But Bob would not have smiled upon my actions. In Workingman Blues Dylan sleeps in a door and blocks up the hall! I suffered a dark spiritual crisis. But I was foolish, Lord Bob, I have grown. An image may be just an image but you are too infinite for literal translation. And thus I hereaby renounce and denounce the Church of Bob. And I'm issuing bob-wah's on the major heretics and willing to pay five pieces of Bobgold for each scalp bestowed unto me. I am a protest-singer-ant. Anyways, In other news in keeping with the churches beliefs, I would like to propose the catchy "Best-Version-Of-A-Dylan-Song-Album-Versions Included-Thing". I propose Desolation Row on Unplugged, Visions of Johanna at Royal Albert, and anything on Rolling Thunder. Rabbi Eyolf wrote a sweet-ass article on Can't Wait, Bootleg 9 making his preference for that album. Contributions? Comments? ANYBODY?! ='( I used to be a devout follower of the Church of Bob. I believed in the literal translation of the holy texts: Dylan said “Don’t stand in the doorway”; I have have killed four people who stood in doorways. But Bob would not have smiled upon my actions. In Workingman Blues Dylan sleeps in a door and blocks up the hall! I suffered a dark spiritual crisis. But I was foolish, Lord Bob, I have grown. An image may be just an image but you are too infinite for literal translation. And thus I hereaby renounce and denounce the Church of Bob. And I’m issuing bob-wah’s on the major heretics and willing to pay five pieces of Bobgold for each scalp bestowed unto me. I am a protest-singer-ant.

Anyways, In other news in keeping with the churches beliefs, I would like to propose the catchy “Best-Version-Of-A-Dylan-Song-Album-Versions Included-Thing”. I propose Desolation Row on Unplugged, Visions of Johanna at Royal Albert, and anything on Rolling Thunder. Rabbi Eyolf wrote a sweet-ass article on Can’t Wait, Bootleg 9 making his preference for that album. Contributions? Comments? ANYBODY?! =’(

]]> By: Oisin O'Fahain http://oestrem.com/thingstwice/2009/02/church-of-bob/comment-page-1/#comment-43814 Oisin O'Fahain Wed, 22 Apr 2009 22:08:01 +0000 http://oestrem.com/thingstwice/?p=103#comment-43814 I feel a holy war a-brewing and I live a few catholic miles away from the queen's cursed border, so I know (hail to the spud, ye fruit of the fruitiest, quickened to life by the holy breath(you may not know but that's how the troubles started: when the queen refused to recognise sthe potato as holt sustenance after the vatican declared it next to the lamb and unleavened bread in the texts)). The Bible has its apocrypha, the Qu'uran its "Satanic verses" (I'm stayin' clear of that one, I think those verses are my favourite myself) and Dylan himself in his Confessions... I mean Chronicles admitted the falsity of Self-portrait and the eponymous album and how the former was a deviation, such as Zarathustra claimed, to rid himself of followers who couldn't expand, so my suggestion was only to weed out the holy from the... well... not-so-holy. It is well known Dylan was possessed during the 60's trilogy and how do we know that that being Possessed didn't Dostoyevskey up his white ass. The cross-roads weren't in Nashville, in a word. Where does the word end and the man begin? Dylan has cried out on various crosses "why have I been forsaken". And how did you classify the festivals of dylan, if not by worthiness of inclusion in the canon. Thou art licentious. It is more blasphemous to think that the saviour who wrote "Not Dark Yet" could also write the foul "Belle Isle". Dylan's too clever to be good all the time. You have made the grievous fault of opening the texts to interpretation of the masses, thereby opening a diet of worms... I mean "can" of course. Best wishes, a fan, from your nemesis. I feel a holy war a-brewing and I live a few catholic miles away from the queen’s cursed border, so I know (hail to the spud, ye fruit of the fruitiest, quickened to life by the holy breath(you may not know but that’s how the troubles started: when the queen refused to recognise sthe potato as holt sustenance after the vatican declared it next to the lamb and unleavened bread in the texts)). The Bible has its apocrypha, the Qu’uran its “Satanic verses” (I’m stayin’ clear of that one, I think those verses are my favourite myself) and Dylan himself in his Confessions… I mean Chronicles admitted the falsity of Self-portrait and the eponymous album and how the former was a deviation, such as Zarathustra claimed, to rid himself of followers who couldn’t expand, so my suggestion was only to weed out the holy from the… well… not-so-holy. It is well known Dylan was possessed during the 60′s trilogy and how do we know that that being Possessed didn’t Dostoyevskey up his white ass. The cross-roads weren’t in Nashville, in a word. Where does the word end and the man begin? Dylan has cried out on various crosses “why have I been forsaken”. And how did you classify the festivals of dylan, if not by worthiness of inclusion in the canon. Thou art licentious. It is more blasphemous to think that the saviour who wrote “Not Dark Yet” could also write the foul “Belle Isle”. Dylan’s too clever to be good all the time. You have made the grievous fault of opening the texts to interpretation of the masses, thereby opening a diet of worms… I mean “can” of course. Best wishes, a fan, from your nemesis.

]]> By: Eyolf Østrem http://oestrem.com/thingstwice/2009/02/church-of-bob/comment-page-1/#comment-43758 Eyolf Østrem Tue, 21 Apr 2009 01:04:50 +0000 http://oestrem.com/thingstwice/?p=103#comment-43758 Ah -- my dear, young Oisin. You are so right, and yet so wrong. Right you are in pointing out what in secular terms and less humble circumstances might be called lyric shortcomings, and your examples are well chosen. I could mention quite a few others from <em>New Morning</em>, but religious fervour -- as is usually the case -- keeps me from making this misjudgement. For right as you are, you are nevertheless wrong -- wrong in assuming there is a Robber Sinnerman. Heresy! Ye have heard it said: "He may have written some strong lyrics, but he ain't no King Midas." But verily, I tell ye: "When ye think his images are weak, think again. When ye think he uses an unfit word, remember: he <em>is</em> the word, the word bends to his will, if he uses it, it <em>is</em> the right word; if his language seems wrong, language itself is to blame, not he. Ah — my dear, young Oisin. You are so right, and yet so wrong.
Right you are in pointing out what in secular terms and less humble circumstances might be called lyric shortcomings, and your examples are well chosen. I could mention quite a few others from New Morning, but religious fervour — as is usually the case — keeps me from making this misjudgement.

For right as you are, you are nevertheless wrong — wrong in assuming there is a Robber Sinnerman.
Heresy!
Ye have heard it said: “He may have written some strong lyrics, but he ain’t no King Midas.”
But verily, I tell ye: “When ye think his images are weak, think again. When ye think he uses an unfit word, remember: he is the word, the word bends to his will, if he uses it, it is the right word; if his language seems wrong, language itself is to blame, not he.

]]> By: Oisin O'Faghain http://oestrem.com/thingstwice/2009/02/church-of-bob/comment-page-1/#comment-43573 Oisin O'Faghain Wed, 15 Apr 2009 14:03:32 +0000 http://oestrem.com/thingstwice/?p=103#comment-43573 I would like to take into account during the religious discussions on this page the false teachings of our lord, when Bob Dylan's evil twin Robber Sinnerman outsang the muse, fools stepped in, three angels flew away etc.; these are found scattered throughout many holy works. I am of course speaking of Dylan's worst lyrics and rhymes. I would enjoy hearing others interpretations of the texts. Most of Dylan's false teachings stem from loose association of awful images that dont come together as a coherent whole. My top (or bottom) three are: No.1 Gotta Serve Somebody "You may be a state trooper, you might be a young turk, you might be the head of a big TV network" in this song our saviour seems to have picked everyone who rhymes to serve somebody. No.2 If Not For You "If not for you... I wouldnt have a clue, I'd be sad and blue, if not for you". In this text our saviour seems to have reverted to the age of a nine year-old with a crayon. No.3 Rainy Day Women #12 & 35 "Well they'll stone ya when you're walking along the street... They'll stone ya when you're walkin' to the door". During this composition our saviour appears to have been stoned and was frequently getting stoned on floors, at doors, seats, at home, at tables and in cars. Unfortunately this song is not funny enough to justify the plethora of stoning. P.S I have chosen some of the most well-known apochrypha but fertile grounds for apochrypha reside in Self Portrait, outtakes and the 80's. Please leave your nominations (Rabbi Eyolf would be the cream on the unleavened bread if he commented). If ye all get whiny we could do a best of dylan lyrically thingy, but its so annoying when someone's so good to focus on how awesome the are. I would like to take into account during the religious discussions on this page the false teachings of our lord, when Bob Dylan’s evil twin Robber Sinnerman outsang the muse, fools stepped in, three angels flew away etc.; these are found scattered throughout many holy works. I am of course speaking of Dylan’s worst lyrics and rhymes. I would enjoy hearing others interpretations of the texts. Most of Dylan’s false teachings stem from loose association of awful images that dont come together as a coherent whole. My top (or bottom) three are: No.1 Gotta Serve Somebody “You may be a state trooper, you might be a young turk, you might be the head of a big TV network” in this song our saviour seems to have picked everyone who rhymes to serve somebody. No.2 If Not For You “If not for you… I wouldnt have a clue, I’d be sad and blue, if not for you”. In this text our saviour seems to have reverted to the age of a nine year-old with a crayon. No.3 Rainy Day Women #12 & 35 “Well they’ll stone ya when you’re walking along the street… They’ll stone ya when you’re walkin’ to the door”. During this composition our saviour appears to have been stoned and was frequently getting stoned on floors, at doors, seats, at home, at tables and in cars. Unfortunately this song is not funny enough to justify the plethora of stoning. P.S I have chosen some of the most well-known apochrypha but fertile grounds for apochrypha reside in Self Portrait, outtakes and the 80′s. Please leave your nominations (Rabbi Eyolf would be the cream on the unleavened bread if he commented). If ye all get whiny we could do a best of dylan lyrically thingy, but its so annoying when someone’s so good to focus on how awesome the are.

]]> By: JR http://oestrem.com/thingstwice/2009/02/church-of-bob/comment-page-1/#comment-43167 JR Sat, 04 Apr 2009 18:07:56 +0000 http://oestrem.com/thingstwice/?p=103#comment-43167 Hmm... I wonder what the "cumbersome html" of the 1st century would've been? As for the emcee... Impossible! Might come close if Al Kooper, Robbie Robertson and Denny Friedman agreed to share the duties following intensive web design training... but otherwise, Impossible! Hmm… I wonder what the “cumbersome html” of the 1st century would’ve been?
As for the emcee… Impossible!
Might come close if Al Kooper, Robbie Robertson and Denny Friedman agreed to share the duties following intensive web design training… but otherwise, Impossible!

]]> By: Eyolf Østrem http://oestrem.com/thingstwice/2009/02/church-of-bob/comment-page-1/#comment-43126 Eyolf Østrem Thu, 02 Apr 2009 15:56:03 +0000 http://oestrem.com/thingstwice/?p=103#comment-43126 I think there's a perfectly logical explanation to that (and not a matter of religious mystery): the plan that all the record release dates should be <em>summum</em>, but I came to the point where I was overpowered by the size of that file, and I stopped before it was finished. So what you need is not a splinter sect, but a more efficient master of ceremonies... I think there’s a perfectly logical explanation to that (and not a matter of religious mystery): the plan that all the record release dates should be summum, but I came to the point where I was overpowered by the size of that file, and I stopped before it was finished.
So what you need is not a splinter sect, but a more efficient master of ceremonies…

]]> By: JR http://oestrem.com/thingstwice/2009/02/church-of-bob/comment-page-1/#comment-43125 JR Thu, 02 Apr 2009 15:49:31 +0000 http://oestrem.com/thingstwice/?p=103#comment-43125 HA! Friggin' hilarious!!! However, the summum feast status of the Desire release date (and NADA for the Blood on the Tracks release) has convinced me that the church has lost its way. I feel called to form a splinter sect immediately... to the wilderness!!! HA! Friggin’ hilarious!!!
However, the summum feast status of the Desire release date (and NADA for the Blood on the Tracks release) has convinced me that the church has lost its way. I feel called to form a splinter sect immediately… to the wilderness!!!

]]> By: lily http://oestrem.com/thingstwice/2009/02/church-of-bob/comment-page-1/#comment-42860 lily Mon, 23 Feb 2009 14:43:15 +0000 http://oestrem.com/thingstwice/?p=103#comment-42860 the Knowledge supercedes Time :o) there is a FB group named Church of Bob Dylan http://www.facebook.com/home.php#/group.php?sid=336e47c9804128c3af1807b3d26521e9&gid=61684075389 perhaps they are in the market for some doctrine... the Knowledge supercedes Time :o)

there is a FB group named Church of Bob Dylan
http://www.facebook.com/home.php#/group.php?sid=336e47c9804128c3af1807b3d26521e9&gid=61684075389

perhaps they are in the market for some doctrine…

]]> By: eyolf http://oestrem.com/thingstwice/2009/02/church-of-bob/comment-page-1/#comment-42859 eyolf Mon, 23 Feb 2009 13:57:30 +0000 http://oestrem.com/thingstwice/?p=103#comment-42859 I'm afraid so. Doesn't make me any happier than you, but that's how it is... You, my dear lady, was in fact the only one apart from Lars and myself who knew the true identity of the dark master of the Church of Bob. But to say that you "helped" is an understatement worth the name. Wasn't that all your work, basically? I’m afraid so. Doesn’t make me any happier than you, but that’s how it is…
You, my dear lady, was in fact the only one apart from Lars and myself who knew the true identity of the dark master of the Church of Bob.
But to say that you “helped” is an understatement worth the name. Wasn’t that all your work, basically?

]]> By: lily http://oestrem.com/thingstwice/2009/02/church-of-bob/comment-page-1/#comment-42858 lily Mon, 23 Feb 2009 13:34:51 +0000 http://oestrem.com/thingstwice/?p=103#comment-42858 i seem to remember that i helped (alot) with the license plate page... 10 years ago! ...nooooooooooo i seem to remember that i helped (alot) with the license plate page…
10 years ago! …nooooooooooo

]]> By: heiner http://oestrem.com/thingstwice/2009/02/church-of-bob/comment-page-1/#comment-42857 heiner Mon, 23 Feb 2009 11:05:57 +0000 http://oestrem.com/thingstwice/?p=103#comment-42857 Funny. I knew that this page existed for years, but I never bothered to look at the source, and I didn't know you wrote it. Funny. I knew that this page existed for years, but I never bothered to look at the source, and I didn’t know you wrote it.

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