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		<title>By: Susen</title>
		<link>http://oestrem.com/thingstwice/2007/05/latex-vs-word-vs-writer/comment-page-2/#comment-51525</link>
		<dc:creator>Susen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2012 06:10:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice article! I have learned more about the difference between these major word processors. BTW, I noticed that in those web pages of your blog, the ligature traits and other typographic features (like auto replacement of quotes, dashes) are properly applied. I&#039;d like to ask you that how you could achieve this, as I would like to use some of them on my web pages. Thanks a lot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice article! I have learned more about the difference between these major word processors. BTW, I noticed that in those web pages of your blog, the ligature traits and other typographic features (like auto replacement of quotes, dashes) are properly applied. I&#8217;d like to ask you that how you could achieve this, as I would like to use some of them on my web pages. Thanks a lot.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Feb 2012 23:11:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I only recently tried Latex (my professor suggested it) for a technical review in which there were many equations, special characters and images. Honestly, it was painful to get used to and setup, especially with all that code everywhere (and I&#039;m a programmer!). But that one experience with equations and managing vector graphics in my document has changed my life. What I used to dred in word, I now relish in latex. I&#039;m in love with it. I look through my beautifully compiled documents and just can&#039;t imagine ever going back to Word. Your description of some of the issues with W&amp;W made my stomach turn, I remember those days of fighting with Word to the point where I just didn&#039;t care anymore and turned in a jumbled, hacked together paper. Thanks for the comparison, I really enjoyed reading it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I only recently tried Latex (my professor suggested it) for a technical review in which there were many equations, special characters and images. Honestly, it was painful to get used to and setup, especially with all that code everywhere (and I&#8217;m a programmer!). But that one experience with equations and managing vector graphics in my document has changed my life. What I used to dred in word, I now relish in latex. I&#8217;m in love with it. I look through my beautifully compiled documents and just can&#8217;t imagine ever going back to Word. Your description of some of the issues with W&amp;W made my stomach turn, I remember those days of fighting with Word to the point where I just didn&#8217;t care anymore and turned in a jumbled, hacked together paper. Thanks for the comparison, I really enjoyed reading it.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Dec 2011 03:43:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So what&#039;s the latest on getting OpenType fonts to work with LaTeX? I use InDesign mostly for that reason, but would be far happier if my LaTeX documents could use, for example, Minion Pro. I&#039;m using the TeXLive distribution with the TeXlipse plugin for Eclipse, so what&#039;s the latest &quot;best practice&quot; for getting the OpenType fonts in there? Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So what&#8217;s the latest on getting OpenType fonts to work with LaTeX? I use InDesign mostly for that reason, but would be far happier if my LaTeX documents could use, for example, Minion Pro. I&#8217;m using the TeXLive distribution with the TeXlipse plugin for Eclipse, so what&#8217;s the latest &#8220;best practice&#8221; for getting the OpenType fonts in there? Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: Jimbo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jimbo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Nov 2011 09:29:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aren&#039;t you just comparing a proper implementation of OpenType features (ligatures, etc) with software that doesn&#039;t implement it at all (MS Office)? The Adobe suite and other professional software do implement all of those, and can do probably better on the small caps, since latex seems to alias characters disproportionally (eg the second b in Bob looks heavier).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aren&#8217;t you just comparing a proper implementation of OpenType features (ligatures, etc) with software that doesn&#8217;t implement it at all (MS Office)? The Adobe suite and other professional software do implement all of those, and can do probably better on the small caps, since latex seems to alias characters disproportionally (eg the second b in Bob looks heavier).</p>
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		<title>By: Eyolf Østrem</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eyolf Østrem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Oct 2011 21:04:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oops. Thanks. Embarrassing, with such a specimen of verbal pollution in that spot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops. Thanks. Embarrassing, with such a specimen of verbal pollution in that spot.</p>
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		<title>By: steve selverston</title>
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		<dc:creator>steve selverston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Oct 2011 19:04:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thanks for the nice comparison. the biggest problem with latex I&#039;ve had so far is when professor douchebag demands that the term paper be in .doc format. latex, of course, makes .pdf files. particularly for mac users, there&#039;s no easy way to go from latex to .doc that I&#039;m aware of. there are some tools for windows users, but even they aren&#039;t free.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thanks for the nice comparison. the biggest problem with latex I&#8217;ve had so far is when professor douchebag demands that the term paper be in .doc format. latex, of course, makes .pdf files. particularly for mac users, there&#8217;s no easy way to go from latex to .doc that I&#8217;m aware of. there are some tools for windows users, but even they aren&#8217;t free.</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas B. Higgins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thomas B. Higgins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Oct 2011 13:04:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please write &quot;pollution,&quot; not &quot;pollusion.&quot; Thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please write &#8220;pollution,&#8221; not &#8220;pollusion.&#8221; Thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: ramy</title>
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		<dc:creator>ramy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jun 2011 00:35:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>when I wrote my thesis I used word 2007. It took me quite a bit to understand how to do it but eventually Word is a good choice. I made a tutorial and template that makes everythin very easy check it out! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=soQTECGcY9M</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>when I wrote my thesis I used word 2007. It took me quite a bit to understand how to do it but eventually Word is a good choice. I made a tutorial and template that makes everythin very easy check it out! <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=soQTECGcY9M" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=soQTECGcY9M</a></p>
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		<title>By: Chaanakya</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chaanakya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jun 2011 14:32:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did you try what this person tried?
http://groups.google.com/group/latexusersgroup/browse_thread/thread/e4d2cff5d4d9a1f5</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did you try what this person tried?<br />
<a href="http://groups.google.com/group/latexusersgroup/browse_thread/thread/e4d2cff5d4d9a1f5" rel="nofollow">http://groups.google.com/group/latexusersgroup/browse_thread/thread/e4d2cff5d4d9a1f5</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ondrej</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ondrej</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Apr 2011 11:56:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great article. Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article. Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Stan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Feb 2011 16:34:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, Your article is interesting. I think you are a fan of Latex, so you highlight the advantages of Latex. So you avoid telling the problems with latex.
The real important problems are also in Latex. To name a few:
1. Just try using Charter font in Latex and test: (f). You will notice that &#039;f&#039; and &#039;)&#039; will touch each other. (Same like in Figure 2, left). So there is nothing superiority in latex. Latex also makes problems like in Word.
2. It is impossible to avoid completely all hyphens in Latex. If you try nohyphen package, some words will cross the margin. You can only give some tolerance or penalty to avoid hyphen. But in the new version of Word one can completely avoid hyphens and no words will crosses the margins.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, Your article is interesting. I think you are a fan of Latex, so you highlight the advantages of Latex. So you avoid telling the problems with latex.<br />
The real important problems are also in Latex. To name a few:<br />
1. Just try using Charter font in Latex and test: (f). You will notice that &#8216;f&#8217; and &#8216;)&#8217; will touch each other. (Same like in Figure 2, left). So there is nothing superiority in latex. Latex also makes problems like in Word.<br />
2. It is impossible to avoid completely all hyphens in Latex. If you try nohyphen package, some words will cross the margin. You can only give some tolerance or penalty to avoid hyphen. But in the new version of Word one can completely avoid hyphens and no words will crosses the margins.</p>
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		<title>By: word_latex</title>
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		<dc:creator>word_latex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jul 2010 11:59:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello,
i recently found one thing. Word 2007 is really wonderful and powerful. The main advantage which i like in word 2007 is one can avoid hyphenation completely without any problem. In latex it is impossible. In latex even if you use hyphen penalty it avoids hyphenation, but the line goes beyond the margin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello,<br />
i recently found one thing. Word 2007 is really wonderful and powerful. The main advantage which i like in word 2007 is one can avoid hyphenation completely without any problem. In latex it is impossible. In latex even if you use hyphen penalty it avoids hyphenation, but the line goes beyond the margin.</p>
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		<title>By: Gaston</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gaston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Mar 2010 20:46:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi. 
You are right. In facts, the odt to latex conversion isn&#039;t working for me.
I have exported a big odt file to latex but it did not compile using either pdflatex nor oolatex so far. 
I did my tests using OpenOffice 3.0 in Windows, with writer2latex 1.0.1, and MikTex 2.8. Maybe have better luck in linux...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi.<br />
You are right. In facts, the odt to latex conversion isn&#8217;t working for me.<br />
I have exported a big odt file to latex but it did not compile using either pdflatex nor oolatex so far.<br />
I did my tests using OpenOffice 3.0 in Windows, with writer2latex 1.0.1, and MikTex 2.8. Maybe have better luck in linux&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Eyolf Østrem</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eyolf Østrem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Mar 2010 07:04:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, you can do that, but not losslessly, and that is a  requirement for anything but the most basic, one-off conversion. Some things will be lost, because the tools aren&#039;t detailed enough, and some things will look right, but for the wrong reason: User-defined LaTeX classes tend to be disregarded, &lt;code&gt;\usepackage{}&lt;/code&gt; likewise, etc. There is no tool (that I know of) that lets you convert from Word/Writer to LaTeX and back again and get the same file.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, you can do that, but not losslessly, and that is a  requirement for anything but the most basic, one-off conversion. Some things will be lost, because the tools aren&#8217;t detailed enough, and some things will look right, but for the wrong reason: User-defined LaTeX classes tend to be disregarded, <code>\usepackage{}</code> likewise, etc. There is no tool (that I know of) that lets you convert from Word/Writer to LaTeX and back again and get the same file.</p>
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		<title>By: Gaston</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gaston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Mar 2010 05:29:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;you can’t easily go back to OOo again once you have done any editing of the LaTeX file&quot; 
Maybe you can use latex2html, then open the html file with writer and export it to odt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;you can’t easily go back to OOo again once you have done any editing of the LaTeX file&#8221;<br />
Maybe you can use latex2html, then open the html file with writer and export it to odt.</p>
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